[HQ Ignorance] Re : Re : Namaless One's Riddle
Loran
aillet_l at yahoo.fr
Thu Feb 8 09:11:17 UTC 2007
OOC
Okthen I think that we have spent enought time on this.
Everyone who would have been interested in the debate had enought time to give his idea.
So I will soon send the answer of Azhur... I'm just trying to put my few IQ points together and write something as clever as possible.
:-)
Loran
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--- Loran <aillet_l at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>
> Hu... I strongly need a hrestoli bishop to avoid
> heretic thoughts now...
> Lev, could you check this and correct me if I'm too
> far away from Hrestoli tradition ?
> (and after all of this I beg you to tell us if you
> make such a subtile riddle or, if as usual, players
> make it complicated and impossible themselves? :-D)
You're doing a very good job at keeping it within
Hrestoli tradition.
Also, there is nothing wrong with giving a complicated
answer which incorporates several traditions e.g.,
"According to the barbarian pagans you are *blah*,
according to the idealist church you are *blah*, you
are within all of us, etc etc".
Hope this helps,
Lev
> PS : I diseagree with the idea that if we loose
> "Time" we go back to the Green Age... my opinion is
> that without the Great Spell/Net, Dark Age and Devil
> are back... to my opinion, sabotage of the mission
> will be a failure for all... I will have to discuss
> this with an elf of my knowledge ;-)
>
> PPS : Make war to bring Peace ? you have exemples ?
>
> Any other hint or argument ?
> Loran
>
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> De : Sam Elliot <sam.elliot1 at btinternet.com>
> À : HeroQuest Glorantha <ignorance at mimesisrpg.com>
> Envoyé le : Mercredi, 7 Février 2007, 12h04mn 19s
> Objet : Re: [HQ Ignorance] Namaless One's Riddle
>
> Loran <aillet_l at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> -> Seek peace ? because of Lord Death on a Horse ?
> -> Any idea on the Greatest of all evils ?
> - War (Death) to all ?
> - Devil (Chaos) to all ?
>
> KoW is looking for peace. Their method is war.
> Happens all the time in the Real World.
>
> > So great that it will may even slay me.
> -> What can kill this spirit ?
>
> Gbaji, for one. End of the Third Age.
>
> > The Beastmen shall arise again and the forests
> shall grow."
> -> Well not only the elf position is questionable
> here...
> I believe that this sentence need a close look.
>
> If Time ends then we return to before the Dawn.
> Great for the Aldryami and the beastmen if we return
> to the Green Age. Icthya has just realised that that
> is great, but maybe there is a better way to do it
> than to bring Gbaji into the world.
>
> > "Bearer of the banner,
> you have one chance.
> -> See... we have to be careful
>
> Yes and no. Lev reassuringly said that he may use
> a well-thought out answer (thanks for the info Lev).
> I say the key is to find an interesting answer.
> Grandfather Mortal is definitely interesting. The
> fact that there is no name for him among the
> Westerners and they think him a criminal is even
> more interesting. We could further complicate things
> by saying that his name is "Me" or something
> profound like that.
>
> > Confer among yourselves, and name me correctly
> -> Should we name the Nameless One or the Gift ?
> (Lev, perhaps you could tell and make it clearer
> here, if it is my english level that is not hight
> enough)
>
> Nameless One definitely. I don´t think English not
> being your mother tongue is interfering at all.
>
> -> Ok protecting mankind seems to be protecting the
> Nameless One
> To me, the Nameless One is more a criminal than a
> virtuous
> guy.
> (Lev, could you inform us on with general knowledge
> on the Nameless One?)
>
> The general knowledge Lev gave us was that he has
> committed many crimes (the NM, not Lev). Despite
> this, he seems to be acting on our side for the
> moment. He is capable of possessing people and
> sending them into murderous rampages.
>
> -> I think he could be someting more much conceptual
> than the first human : Human sins or failures for
> exemple, which would define mankind more in the
> hrestoli way. Without failure, no humanity, no
> redemption.. etc...
>
> Grandfather Mortal already is something more
> conceptual, along the lines of what you say, or
> perhaps more Nic´s original thoughts - mortality
> etc. He is already known to be a part of everyone
> and a part of everything (that´s why "Me" could be
> an answer). I don´t think he is the first Human
> either, but the first Man, so, including beastmen,
> elves (not aldryami), dwarves I think, and so on.
> That concept
> would not, I think, work for the monotheists, so
> they have forgotten about him.
>
> Can Azhur bring himself to accept that? If not we
> are in trouble, but a very interesting kind of
> trouble: is a Jew about to accept that Christ was
> the Son of God? Conversely, is a Christian about to
> accept that Christ was just another prophet, as
> Islam has it? Perhaps a better parallel: is an
> organised religion going to accept that the Wild Man
> all those pagan primitives talk about is actually
> the progenitor of the human race?
>
> Tricky. I think we have the right answer. What
> Azhur is going to do about it though...[as far as
> I´m concerned, BTW, you have my support for Azhur
> not to accept any of this if you wish to go that way
> - I think the story then becomes very interesting
> indeed].
>
> Sam.
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